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| dragon Hive Bee |
 posted 08-25-1998 12:53 PM 
In a local paper, there was an article about a WWII method, used by the German army, to make a performance inhancing compound (also called Nazi Method). It mentions a low temp, no fume method using no special equipment. Quoting the paper: "a small batch can be made in about two hours with two coffe cups and a coffee filter, simply by combining the ingrediendts in a specific order and adding heat at the right time". the "specific" ingredients are: "lithium batteries, Styrofoam cups, Starter fluid, and Sudafed. It mentioned "closet chemists trade techniques on how to strip lithiumm out of batteries or obtain ether from starter fluid cans...." does anyone know how this is done or where the "technique" can be found? |
| Phather
PhreeX unregistered |
posted 08-25-1998 01:35 PM
For the most part, its your basic run-of-the-mill mediaSpew ... see, this makes meth sound like some evil chemical made by evil kitchen cooks .. that 'recipie' they refer to is the Birch reduction of (pseudo)ephedrine using Lithium and Anhydrous Ammoina ... yes, you can, in fact, obtain lithium from batteries (there is a thread about it in this forum, I belive its called 'Obtaining Li from batteries') and yes, it can be done in a few hours ... the article says " no fume method " ROFL! if you live within a hundred yards (or so) of anyone with a working nose - its NOT a good idea to crack open that ammoina. Anyway, read up on the Birch reuction .. but don't think its as easy as the media makes it sound. |
| Wizard
X PimpBee |
posted 09-16-1998 09:44 PM
The apparatus and time needed to just prepare the Birch reduction is far more complex than you can imagine. |
| micifer unregistered |
posted 09-25-1998 06:08 PM
Materials needed: pseudoephedrine anhydrous ammonia lithium (from camera batteries) acetone dry ice Procedure: |
| FMAN Hive Bee |
posted 07-26-1999 09:37 PM
Hum oddities present! Hum acts as a battery and the Egyptians knew how cool it was to electroplate gold coatings onto neat stuff like sarcophagi  --Amethystium-- |
| Optimus
Prime Hive Bee |
posted 07-27-1999 06:16 AM
FMAN touched it... NAZI Crank = electro chem with paladium from Russian paladium mines in war.... |
| pebble Hive Bee |
posted 07-27-1999 09:48 PM
I am not fimilar with the anhydrous ammonia and lithium method, but I have tried some that was made using no heat and it has been some of the highest quality meth I've ever done. Last week, I did just a small amount because I had already been sniffing and it was as good as other stuff, but I got the same effect from just a little bit less. Maybe this method just gives the meth a higher octane level or something. Other meth is great too, but this seemed to be just a little bit better quality using the ammonia and lithium. Maybe someone could post a way to do it, like methhead posted his push/pull method. Pebble |
| Barracuda1965 Hive Bee |
posted 07-29-1999 07:37 AM
Let me see if I have this straight. As I am breathing fresh ammonia fumes into my lungs some morning, I should be thanking those swell folks who brought us WWII? Shades of Hogans Heroes. What is wrong with this picture? I know my history. There is an interesting moral/ethical, uh, thing, here. Should we benefit from the work of such dispicable sorts? These type of questions have been raised by medical professionals and rocket scientists alike. As if a bunch of speed freaks care. Never mind. Carry on. ------------------ |
| FMAN Hive Bee |
posted 07-29-1999 04:31 PM
A] There is a simple way to eveaporate the water off the amonia without complication. 1.]Hook up the amonia to an electrogadget. 2.]You will find that normally N will gas off 3.]The Nitrogen compound is what ya want 4.]The water will gas off as H and O gas 5.]The stink is added>>Accytlaldehyde(burnt?) 6.]Anyways ammonia has no smell 7.]It was a feared gas because it was not 8.]Smelled before assphixaition 9.]Generating your own ammonia could be fatal 10.]Hopping your ammonia does stink some 11.]First issolate the ammonia 12.]Then prepare gas by dripping conc. lye 13.]Layer on layer and let gas into petro 14.]Yea use styrofoam??Well gas proof styro? 15.]Add styro chips if necessary? 16.]Soak your reaction vessle in CO2 17.] get it real cold.H/P gas High Pressure 18.] yep just pressurize.....makes liquid 19.] make ram jet venturi into babbington 20.] collect liquid as ice. 21.] you just started a commecial fertalizer buisness 22.]Get some lithium....Maybe batteries? 23.]Does micro reaction first! 14. solvent NH4 should blue go slow..... Never tried.......Amethystium--- |
| CHEM
GUY Hive Bee |
posted 07-29-1999 11:02 PM
You know, I have an article that states that degassed ethanol chilled to ~ -30C will form a blue solution with alkali metals. I mention this because MAYBE, just maybe you could perform the birch reduction in that medium. I will get the Nature article out from underneath all my shit tommorow when I get home. How would one use ethanol in vacuo for this idea? |
| cantstanditanymore Hive Bee |
posted 07-30-1999 02:04 AM
Need some anhydrous ammonia ? If you live near or know where a large farm is that grows corn for feed stock the shit is sitting all over the country U.S.ofA. 500 gal., 1000 gal., 5000 gal., cylinders on wheels. similar to oblong LP tanks that farmers rent or lease from the co-ops. One report i read stated that thay caught two guys filling a 5 gal. bucket from a anhydrous ammonia tank. Another article stated that a farmer went to the field one morning and
couldn't locate his I don't know anything about getting anhydrous ammonia out of one of those cylinders or even how dangerous it is or the special equipment you may need, such as a aspirator and such. All i know is that it can be had, and those guys that borrowed the whole tank for the evening could probably teach us all a few tricks of the trade. Thanx for listening....... |
| Mr.? Hive Bee |
posted 07-30-1999 06:08 PM
heidi ho neighbors........dort am klavier un viet shcpiel began un atam ahn.......du hast miech ........and ummm yeah sure........im cold hearted does that make me a cold cook..... |
| Mr.Sandman Hive Bee |
posted 07-30-1999 06:10 PM
we need more info on the cold method here people push and pull is cool so is electro.....but there is like 35 ways to make this potion come to life ......so keep on dreaming |
| bumble-bee NewBee |
posted 07-30-1999 06:11 PM
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| desepta-con Hive Bee |
posted 07-30-1999 06:12 PM
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| Fitzhugh Hive Bee |
posted 07-31-1999 04:53 AM
Chem Guy: I wonder if the ethanol had to be completely degased, or simply deaireated. It might only be necessary to eliminate all of the oxygen and water, which could be done by sparging with nitrogen gas or perhaps argon. If CO2 gas would work, it might even be possible to do a single container reaction, where the dry ice would go directly into the ethanol to both drive the oxygen out and cool the solution. Keeping things dry would be a primary goal, but doable. I would love to hear more about the article you mentioned. -Fitzhugh- |
| FMAN Hive Bee |
posted 07-31-1999 05:33 AM
WHY OH ? DO THE HARD WAY WITH SOLVENT???? Pick solvent ya can freeze or gas water off. |
| FMAN Hive Bee |
posted 07-31-1999 05:37 AM
CaCl? Calcium/oxide??? |
| betty_crocker Hive Bee |
posted 11-24-1999 07:27 PM
7-9 batteries per ounce of ephedrine and how much anyhdrous do you need?? |
| Xaja Hive Bee |
posted 11-24-1999 07:40 PM
There was a cool outline of the Birch method from adc once, had no specific amounts of reagents but gave a good idea of procedure and apparatus needed. |
| FreeFlow Hive Bee |
posted 11-24-1999 08:12 PM
metal from the can leached into solvent may provide the necessary catalyst the is a way to make ice insutu, it was not a fable, it was the simple and embarising truth folks it was too dam easy to do this reaction and ya get $amy type stuff from it simple to simple 4-amt |
| CHEM
GUY Hive Bee |
posted 11-29-1999 04:51 PM
Use the search engine and type in " CHEM GUY's notes on birch-like reductions" |
| FrankLee NewBee |
posted 12-01-1999 11:57 AM
I had a friend who had this dream, every so often now or then and in this dream the friend uses 1 qt. of A.A. per 1000 pills (after push/pull method)of course. The 1 qt. works for 500 to 1000, and just go from there. |
| spitball666 Hive Bee |
posted 12-01-1999 12:55 PM
You need Chicken feed and di-hydrogen monoxide for any of this to work, kids. trust me on this one.
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| Xaja Hive Bee |
posted 12-01-1999 04:00 PM
Thanx for the help, Spitty.
Good to see ya back. |
| swage Hive Bee |
posted 12-01-1999 04:54 PM
allright then rocket experiment calls opened A turn into gas water into gas it gasses off first, but an azzetroph is formed hummmm ok so try ingiting the plain gas achieved of thus such and from only water then what do ya get??? BBBOOOMMMM yep it goes BBBBOOOMMM well ya know this and there is what comes back??? a fraction of water possibly a few drops of it???? 2] do this with the ammonia mixture and twoards the end ya get a real
fucking stinky mess of superconcentrated ammonia dont spill this or open
this in an enclosed area it will kill you 3] light the mixture??? YOU GOT TO BE FUCKING CRAZY MAN 4 compare this to pure ammonia maybe afterall lowering the tempature at some point makes seence afterall, better yet lower the entire point of everything to real fucking cold and ice seperates of from the ammonia???? FUCK YOU TRY IT SO maybe this guy aint full of shit or did you check to see????? Oh desicating agent might be usefull selective for water only as well as crystaline ammonia stuff???? AHHHHHHHHHHHOOOHHHHH |
| Agent-Orange unregistered |
posted 12-21-1999 01:06 PM
F-MAN Your method of the Nazi method is so fuckin far off ..I dont know whatr the fuck you make at the end but that IS NOT the nazi method. First to answer about peeling lithium batteries first get the brand AA ENERGIZER PHOTOCELLS look like a normal AA but the tops are RED (REDCAPS) Peel the plastic now they are wrapped in light gage metal you need a pair or two of pliers pull the seam apart. the second pliers are told hold to it after pealing the seam or trying to peal it you want to get the washer(THE POSITIVE SIDE) pull the top off snap that off the battery might get warm or even hot get the top off and it breaks the connection ok after pulling the metal seam apart there is screen in there looks like window screen but metal pull this out(that is the lithium) this is one more step than you had before(just be careful i never had a battery blow up yet) good luck!!! LATOR GATORS! |
| omega Hive Bee |
posted 12-22-1999 12:33 AM
What ever happened to Flask Jockys home page on the birch ? Also Piglet was pretty informed as well. Ithink it can all be found on search. |
| Uncle
Fester Hive Bee |
posted 12-22-1999 11:53 PM
I'll fill you in on what I know. This reduction with lithium comes later in time than those Nazis. It is media hype. Now to this lithium reduction, I've heard from guys whoase address is like PO box 1000 Leavenworth KS that a favored reaction vessel is a 5 gal plastic pail in a country location. Batteries are dissembled, and tossed into a mixture of ground pills, anhydrous ammonia and solvent. Car starter ether is often used. They just toss the whole lithium side of the battery without pulling out the strip. They also note that detonations can happen if the reaction isn't quenched. It messes up the trees in the area. What happened to ethylenediamine? |
| tullius NewBee |
posted 12-25-1999 09:26 AM
well cantstanditanymore, you can't believe everything you read in the news. It would be pretty hard to use a 5 gallon bucket to steal anhydrous because it is only a liquid when under pressure. That's why it's in those tanks like propane. When you open the valve it shoots out a gas. To gather it people use propane tanks, the only problem is they have brass valve fittings & anhydrous eats them right up after one use. |
| dextram Hive Bee |
posted 12-25-1999 09:36 AM
toothapste sounds dam lucky? |
| hypo Hive Bee |
posted 12-25-1999 11:25 AM
The volatility of NH3 is not that bad. Sure it boils below -40C, but it has huge evaporation heat that keeps it cold for a pretty long time even in an open bucket. (NH3 was used in refrigerators before freons) The trick of getting liquid NH3 is to pour it staight from the cylinder bottom up. Diving goggles/gloves/outdoor/hold your breath (NH3 is very nasty in your eyes), have plastic jar with an alcohol/ether co-solvent ready. I have never used this method for E, but I have done some other (legal)
crude-Birch experiments this way. The ammonia loss is quite big, but this
should not be an issue if you find a full cylinder. Anyway, pills/Li
bateries source is good only for small quantities of product, but it is
100% easy OTC provided some farmer left NH3 tank in the fields. |
| Zeph Hive Bee |
posted 01-27-2000 07:23 PM
I think the NaZi cold Crank method was I2 and rP!!!That was a 5 minute reaction when done properly! What was Emde's secret back in 1929 when he was published in Helvetica Chemica for reducing ephedrine into meth??? |
| IMPOSTER Hive Bee |
posted 01-27-2000 07:33 PM
I disagree very much...and say you are very wrong on this.... |
| pebble Hive Bee |
posted 01-27-2000 08:12 PM
The "Nazi Cold Cook" had to be able to be cooked out in the field without any heat. Thus, Hitler's soldiers could fight "Blitzkrieg" warfare. This is lighting fast fighting. No wonder, the methamphetamine played a role in this. Methamphetamine was around long before Hitler, but it was Hitler that got his scientist to work on this method, something like this anyway. Look it up to get all the facts. Anyway this method requires no heat. The main ingredients is Anhydrous Ammonia, Lithium, and Ether. 1300 pills will yield about an ounce. It's a dangerous cook like any other, but even a small open flame at the wrong time can cause a flash fire. Receipes that I have read would get a lot of people hurt, because no one said anything about the dangers assoiated with certain reactions. Anyway the "Nazi Method" makes good meth, but has somewhat of a crash when you start to come down. High was good however. Pebble |
| Sploofer Hive Bee |
posted 01-27-2000 10:09 PM
proally was alot easir than that simply soaked stuff in a trisolution of stuff simply distilled it and it was proally the substituted porphorin ring type of speed as strong as heroin and stimilating too however like ephedrine it could and like heroin it could make ya pass out and stop resperating
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| Spedrup Hive Bee |
posted 01-28-2000 12:49 AM
this is strangely the preffered react. for the redneck types('i aint got no book learnin') i dunno y. but i had a friend who was dreaming this react. in a hotel room, with as u said the anhydrous in an open bucket. I think the react. was done in an icechest(reason he told me was that lithium would eat through regular plastic) hE said also that a dehumidifier would be required in the room. dope usually came out blue, or green. He said it could be cut as much as 1:1 ratio, and still be good-better than whats on the streets normally. all from a bunch of people who commonly got drunk during the burn.\ peace |
| IMPOSTER Hive Bee |
posted 01-28-2000 12:58 AM
SPEDRUP your buddy just dont have a fuckin clue to be blunt and dosent know what he is talkin about. sorry. |
| pebble Hive Bee |
posted 01-28-2000 04:01 AM
Get you fried as a Government Rat! Pebble |
| brett
hensley NewBee |
posted 01-31-2000 02:31 AM
i hae this dream 1 or 2 times a week.1 qt. mason jar+1 cup ammonia,+14 grams of psudoephine.2 lithium batteries.let dry for about 10 minutes then add ether from depressurized starter fluid can{approx.2 cans}let that shit reactfor a while.now heres the strange part.ive seen it react for 30 minutes to 12 hours,useally{sp?}the longer the better. strain ether.smoke 150ml at time.smoke meaning mix iodized salt with liquid fire{sulferic acid,drain cleaner}i a2 lt bottle with footlong 3/8 dm dope will drop to the bottom strain dry smoke .more details if needed. remember this was just a dream. ------------------ |
| pebble Hive Bee |
posted 01-31-2000 08:47 AM
All of my talk is of my dreams, do you think I'm stupid to actually do something illegal? So, only in your dream you say, good me too. Pebble |
| Worlock Hive Bee |
posted 01-31-2000 12:53 PM
We will all be doing the Na/Li ammonia reduction if the present trend continues. According to DEA reports. They indicate the Birch reduction is rapidly gaining popularity over the Hi/RP method they figure soon 10% of illegal meth will be made using this method? I doubt that it will be soon, but it is possible. At least it is becoming more recognised as workable. |
| ziggy NewBee |
posted 02-01-2000 04:00 PM
Brett, Give more details! ziggy |
| aqua-girl Hive Bee |
posted 02-01-2000 04:31 PM
Out in my neck-o-the-woods, damn near everything is birched. I was the first P/P unit they ever saw in real life. |
| Yman Hive Bee |
posted 02-01-2000 08:59 PM
we have talked over alot of ideas on new synths in the last couple of months.I guess workin the water out of ammonia is about as easy as getting hypoP. Worlock where you always diggin this DEA shit up? Give us your link, dude! |
| Sky Hive Bee |
posted 02-01-2000 10:04 PM
I've read that same article could they be refering to the coffee cups for the styrene in the styrafoam? |
| CHEM
GUY Hive Bee |
posted 02-01-2000 11:57 PM
As a word of warning: DON'T USE STRYOFOAM AS THE REACTION VESSEL! Reason being is that stryofoam is polystryrene. polystyrene: H-[C6H5-CH-CH2]n-H The aromatic (C6H5-) will compete with the ephedrine for the electrons resulting in a more irratic yield and a need for more alkali metal. Also never use toluene as a co-solvent, the same promblem will occur. Ether is good. DISSPELLING ANOTHER MYTH: The NH3 need not be anhydrous. The proton donator content should be lower or comparable to the molar addition of the alkali metal; to have more proton donor present before the addition of the alkali metal will result in irratic yields of over-reduced and reduced product. Also if the NH3 is not anhydrous add the ephedrine first, before the addition of the alkali metal. The ratio of alkali metal to free base ephedrine needs to be adjusted slightly if the NH3 is not anhydrous, but the ephedrine will very effectively compete with the proton donars, so don't compensate with 1 mol excess alkali metal to 1 mol proton donar. (my suggestion would be about .2-.5 mol alkali metal per 1 mol proton donar) A good vessel would be polyethylene, or glass, but not a glass doped with heavy metals. Be safe, and don't do anything illegal. This for informational purposes only.
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| brett
hensley NewBee |
posted 02-04-2000 07:49 AM
ziggy what details?
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| ziggy NewBee |
posted 02-04-2000 10:38 AM
Brett, Like specifics. I'm no chemist, but do have common sense, and some grey matter left. How much ammonia, lithium, how to "smoke" it, ect. I'm looking for something I can dream of for myself. I'm too old to be dealing with these little college kids, and besides, they love ripping people off. Just looking for something fairly uncomplecated, so I can have personal, small-scale dreams. BTW, if you don't want to post it, you can email me at ziggy1@hushmail.com . You really should post it though. Too many people want to know. Thanks, ziggy |
| brett
hensley NewBee |
posted 02-05-2000 02:50 AM
o.k. people you can thank ziggy for this info [or blame him] cause its real simple just keep it a dream cau in reality ,around here anyways,can get you 6-20 years in the pokey.you will need a 1qt.mason jar w/twist on lids.add 1 cup anhyrdous amonia.next 14gms. of pill dope[p-ephidrine extracted from nasel degon pills]next mix i 2 stripped aa lthium batterys.[peel the metal cases,bee careful,tearthe inside liner the aa is wasted.mix this well.it wil be dark blue at first,let it sit about 10-15 min. it will then start to dry ad be grey.add 1.5-2 cans of starter fluid. gotto go finish late sorry ------------------ |
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